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Topic: Lions team managements for Currie Cup and U21
Posted By: Transvaal
Subject: Lions team managements for Currie Cup and U21
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 11:18am

Management Team for the Xerox Golden Lions is as follows:

 

Head Coach:                                Ivan van Rooyen

Forwards:                                    Philip Lemmer

Breakdown and Defence:             Sean Erasmus

Attack:                                         Neil de Bruin

Scrum Consultant:                       Julian Redelinghuys

Strength and Conditioning:           Rupert Oberholster

Manager:                                     Mustapha Boomgaard

Team Physician:                          Dr Rob Collins

Physiotherapist:                           Preven Appalsamy

Massage Therapist:                      Ram Mpila & Carol Dickson

Kit:                                               Johane Singwane

 

Management Team for the Xerox Golden Lions Under 21 team is as follows:

 

Head Coach:                                Joey Mongalo

Forwards:                                    Wessel Roux

Attack:                                         Mziwakhe Nkosi

Strength and Conditioning:           Stefan van Deventer

Manager:                                     MJ Rabodiba

Team Physician:                          Dr Anri van Tonder

Physiotherapist:                           Pam Watts

Kit:                                              Bestall Mondo

 

We bid farewell to the following players:

Ruan Combrinck

Robbie Coetzee

Sylvian Mahuza

Nic Groom

Danie Mienie

Robert Kruger

Harold Vorster

Lionel Mapoe

Stephan Lewies

Franco Naude




Replies:
Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 11:26am
Die CC bestuurspan lyk goed.


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 11:41am
one is nou kort op centers ook, dis n groot problem.


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 11:53am
I am sad to see Mahuza go. Vorster and Mapoe are also huge losses.


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 11:58am
Sjoe n paar Groot loses hier..veral Vorster,Mapoe en Combrinck.....



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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:02pm
Gin wonder ons onder 21 weer verloor die naweek met Joey...hy moet iets teen die leeus he.......



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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by LeeuBrul LeeuBrul wrote:

Gin wonder ons onder 21 weer verloor die naweek met Joey...hy moet iets teen die leeus he.......

Look at his age group record and then comment again.


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:16pm
Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:39pm
Ek hoop regtig n Jong man,louritz van der schyff...Kom bitter vinnig oor sy besering....ons het regtig nie n opregde 12 tans nie.....

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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...
Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 12:54pm
Enige positiewe wat ek darem sien is dat Kwagga nog by ons is volgende jaar

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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:04pm
Any news on where all these players are going?


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.
Nope, never coached at all and I can promise u, I don't think any of this is funny...
Case being on appeal still means he was found GUILTY by a court based on the evidence available... So if I shot someone in cold blood and was found guilty and I appeal the verdict, does it all of a sudden mean I am innocent?  I honestly don't care whether he is the best coach the world has ever seen, he should not be coaching at the Lions... Fact is he was found guilty of a crime in a foreign country while representing his employer...



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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:13pm
I wonder if the union would be comfortable putting him in charge of one of our womens teams? If they believe he is innocent then they should have no problem putting a known, guilty sexual offender in charge of women.


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.
Nope, never coached at all and I can promise u, I don't think any of this is funny...
Case being on appeal still means he was found GUILTY by a court based on the evidence available... So if I shot someone in cold blood and was found guilty and I appeal the verdict, does it all of a sudden mean I am innocent?  I honestly don't care whether he is the best coach the world has ever seen, he should not be coaching at the Lions... Fact is he was found guilty of a crime in a foreign country while representing his employer...



I agree he was supposed to be suspended untill the appeal is done.......but ,ons Mors ons asems,dit gaan nie verander en ons praat Al maande daaroor.....


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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...
Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.

We may be rugby fans, but certainly not fanatics that would cut corners on a moral issue such as this. 
Don't think someone like Louis Luyt would have been intimidated by any political pressure in similar situation. If memory serves me right, the Lions sacked someone a few years back for minor office sexual harassment.

Regarding coaching, who is responsible for selecting junior and school coaches into high pressure professional coaching positions? 


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...
Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.

We may be rugby fans, but certainly not fanatics that would cut corners on a moral issue such as this. 
Don't think someone like Louis Luyt would have been intimidated by any political pressure in similar situation. If memory serves me right, the Lions sacked someone a few years back for minor office sexual harassment.

Regarding coaching, who is responsible for selecting junior and school coaches into high pressure professional coaching positions? 
The Lions conducted their own investigation into the whole affair. They had a respected labour relations firm conduct the investigation and hearing. They followed the legal advice given to them. Case closed until after the appeal process has run its course. I don't condone sexual harassment, but with the info that I have, its not a clear cut case. 

How do we know how we will react in a pressure situation? We may handle different types of pressure differently, but we all have a breaking point and something gives. We never know how we will react until we are in those situations.


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

The Lions conducted their own investigation into the whole affair. They had a respected labour relations firm conduct the investigation and hearing. They followed the legal advice given to them. Case closed until after the appeal process has run its course. I don't condone sexual harassment, but with the info that I have, its not a clear cut case. 

How do we know how we will react in a pressure situation? We may handle different types of pressure differently, but we all have a breaking point and something gives. We never know how we will react until we are in those situations.
Yet the Lions only had one side of the story to go on... The Victim and the witnesses were not available for the "internal hearing". I highly doubt that an Australian court would have found him guilty if it was not, as you call it, a clear cut case...
Fact of the matter is, that he is a married man, representing his employer in a foreign country that made sexual advances to another woman... Solicited or not (court found that it was unsolicited), no professional person should make himself guilty of such behavior.
In my books, merely going to church on a Sunday and asking for forgiveness does not cut it. He should have been punished for his actions and not rewarded with a head coaching position...


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 3:03pm
Ok, so ons weet nou hoe die afrigtings span lyk, en watter spelers definitief NIE daar gaan wees nie. Sal nou graag die groep spelers wil sien wat beskikbaar gaan wees..


Posted By: Goue Leeu
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 4:03pm
Shoh.. ons het nou 'n probleem op senter.


Posted By: ROOIHART
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Shoh.. ons het nou 'n probleem op senter.

As Louritz vd Schyff en Simelane een seisoen kan saamspeel sal ons niemand mis. Maar verseker bietjie probleme oor kort termyn.


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2019 at 8:41pm
Can anyone correct and/or fill in the gaps:

Ruan Combrinck - France 
Robbie Coetzee - ??
Sylvian Mahuza - ??
Nic Groom - England 
Danie Mienie - ??
Robert Kruger - ??
Harold Vorster - ??
Lionel Mapoe - France
Stephan Lewies - England 
Franco Naude - back to the bulls


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2019 at 3:55pm
We thought we had depth issues this year, things have gone from bad to worse .

My concern is that we had very few guys in the Bok u/20s squad and further to this UJ and Wits dont content for the varsity cup either.

is this a result of the new contracting system? Our rugby is under serious threat. 

And SARU thinks by paying the "BEST" Boks more , they will stay, well they wont. They will get greedy anyway and we will lose youngsters due to having limited contracts available


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2019 at 4:34pm
we are losing so many players but it seems like we are not filling those holes. Don't hear anything about new signings and we can't rely to much on our junior systems you still need experience. 


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2019 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

we are losing so many players but it seems like we are not filling those holes. Don't hear anything about new signings and we can't rely to much on our junior systems you still need experience. 
The problem is that there arent too many players with experience in the market, hence the negotiations with players like Ulengo. That is also the reason we used players like Groom and Lewies. 


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2019 at 8:59pm
Die vloei van talent (spelers en afrigters) uit SA het nou volwaardig ñ vloed geword. Ons het dit al jare terug voorspel. Die standaard van die afrigters en spelers beskikbaar vir hierdie jaar se Currie Cup is nie net belaglik nie, dis super-hartseer. En dis van toepassing op al die spanne, nie net die Leeus nie.

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Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2019 at 12:21pm
The loss of experienced talent is a big problem. But I think the lack of quality coaching is a much bigger issue. A competent coaching staff can get the best out of a average team. The Lions under Johan Ackerman was an example. The Lions are now in the position where the majority of the coaching staff as well as the players come from junior ranks. Being once again demoted out of Super rugby in two or three years is not far fetched.


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2019 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

We bid farewell to the following players:

Ruan Combrinck- was puik, maar kon nie weer dieselfde spelpeil bereik na sy besering. Groot verlies.

Robbie Coetzee- was altyd bestendig, maar het ñ paar dissiplinêre blapse op die veld gehad. Diepte op hakker is baie dun hy Leeus en in SA. Groot verlies.

Sylvian Mahuza- het altyd sy beste gegee, maar het tans te veel kompetisie in sy posisies. Sou kon doen met hom in diepte. Groot verlies.

Nic Groom- het sy bes gelewer, maar sy spelstyl het net nooit ingepas nie. Geen verlies.

Danie Mienie- het min tot geen impak gehad omdat hy amper nooit gespeel het. Geen verlies.

Robert Kruger- het hard gespeel en te min speelkans gekry. Was beslis belangrik vir diepte. Groot verlies.

Harold Vorster- puik speler, op en af in vorm soos alle spelers. Groot verlies.

Lionel Mapoe- een van ons beste spelers die afgelope paar jaar, maar raak ongelukkig nou lank in die tand. Groot verlies.

Stephan Lewies- het goed uitgehelp in ñ tyd waar Leeus ñ groot krisis op slot het, maar was net op kort termyn kontrak. Geen verlies.

Franco Naude- het hard probeer, maar nie genoeg gespeel om impak te maak. Eintlik sinneloos gewees nou dat ons kan terugkyk. Geen verlies



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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2019 at 1:57pm
weet iemand waneer ons groep bekend gemaak word vir die currie cup 


Posted By: monster
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2019 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

weet iemand waneer ons groep bekend gemaak word vir die currie cup 

Klink my die unie weet nie ons speel die naweek nie .... soos genoem in n vorige pos van my ..... daar is weer baie aanduidings dat die unie min gepla is oor die CB ..... ons gaan weer onder gemiddeld wees (soos vorige 3 jaar)en weer n swak opbou tot 2020


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 11:56am
The Currie cup starts in 3 days and our squad hasn't even been announced, shocking.

I know the competition is not what it used to be, but good grief.


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 12:16pm
Ek neem aan al die ander unies het hul squads aangekondig? Indien hul het is dit uiters swak van die leeus!


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 12:37pm
Ouens Relax. Die unie kan nie die squad aankondig voordat al die onderhandelinge nie afgehandel is nie.


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Ouens Relax. Die unie kan nie die squad aankondig voordat al die onderhandelinge nie afgehandel is nie.

Huh? Langtermyn onderhandeling vir super rugby ja, maar sekerlik 3 dae voor jou 'n curriebeker wedstryd speel behoort jy te weet wie is beskikbaar en wie nie??


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 3:55pm
Hou net in gedagte dat die unie nooit eers 'n Super Rugby squad aangekondig het hierdie jaar nie


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Hou net in gedagte dat die unie nooit eers 'n Super Rugby squad aangekondig het hierdie jaar nie

Aan dit ook gedink.. Ai ons het darem maar agteruit gegaan. Dog ons is in die Pro-Era.. 


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 4:21pm
Hou in gedagte dat die onderhandelings venster tans oop is, en dat daar tans baie beweging in die mark is met unies en klubs wat tans kwaai agter ons senior sowel as junior spelers aan is. EK weet ook nie of dit enigsins erens in die kompetisie se reelboek staan dat n squad n sekere tyd moet aangekondig word nie.

Die leeus gaan altyd met die ekstra challenge sit van dat baie spelers eerder by die see wil gaan bly, al kry hulle minder geld.



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